哪怕换皮换语言不换芯是没用的。建议自我洗脑，从战神耶和华到永远胜利的基督，从以致富成大统证明自己是the chosen one 到革命胜利之外王证明永远光荣，从一个胜利走向另一个胜利，永远是winner。不要奇怪，这两边的阵营本来就是一路货，看似水火不容，不过就是些昊天、上帝、真主、真理的名词之争(背后一味光明没有黑暗永远至大永远glory永远正确的憨直逻辑是一样蠢的）。脱支？真是不知道自己在说什么。从一块砖到另一堵墙，从一个螺丝钉到另一套类古代军事帝国的摩登商业机器（这就是自由？），一样过度追求效率，追求高速扩张，过度的标准化把世界搞得如此单调乏味，类军事长期备战的摩登教育把所有人不分东西都搞成了傻子，包括所谓的阿尔法male,生态圈都快被他们的垃圾搞崩溃，这很值得其骄傲？你们要换皮去效仿？不知所谓。
轴心文化的四重奏：从内向到外向的文化碰撞与反思

金观涛的文化视角令人深思。他提到，如果以“向内”还是“向外”以及“入世”还是“出世”为两个变量，世界上就会出现四种轴心文化。这种分析勾勒出一幅清晰的文化图景，而这四种文化在地球上几乎都有对应实例。

首先，让我们简单回顾这四种轴心文化的划分：

向内而入世的古中华道德文化：以伦理为核心，关注自我修养与社会责任。
向内而出世的古印度解脱文化：追求灵魂的超越，讲究个人的内心净化和解脱。
向外而入世的古希腊求知文化：以探求外部世界的真理为目标，科学与哲学深植其间。
向外而出世的一神解脱文化：一个最为奇特的文化现象，既关注外部的力量，又执着于超越尘世的解脱。
一神信仰的特殊性与悖论
单论向外而出世的解脱文化，其最大的代表是一神信仰。这种文化为何会出现一神信仰，而不是像其他民族自然发展出的多神体系？大部分文化中，外物有灵是自然的观念，形成了类似于希腊神话般的多神信仰体系，其中可能有宙斯这样的主神，但从未排斥其他神灵的存在。

然而，一神信仰却有违自然逻辑。世界并非单一，光明与黑暗、善与恶始终共存。一神论试图抹平黑暗，提出一个绝对善与光明的神，却无法彻底解决逻辑上的悖论——如果神是绝对的善，那恶又从何而来？这导致了“魔鬼”概念的出现，而为了维护唯一神的“永远正确”，一神信仰不得不引入“末世论”：通过最终之战消灭恶，以维持光明的绝对胜利。

从宗教信仰到资本主义的蜕变
这种“胜利”的逻辑不仅局限于宗教仪式，还延续到了社会经济领域。尤其是在黑死病之后，上层信仰因教会腐败而动摇，但下层信仰却在灾难中愈加坚定。宗教改革催生了卡尔文宗，其核心思想将“圣战”引入了工商业。通过虔诚的工作和世俗的成功，证明自己是“被上帝选中的人”，这种理念在荷兰催生了现代商业，在英国推动了工业革命。

随之而来的，是一场全球范围的竞争。无论国家举的是什么旗帜，内在逻辑却趋于一致——追求胜利、扩张与效率，以此证明自己的合法性。这种“胜利至上”的思想甚至渗透到社会文化中，形成了某种无所不在的驱动力。

文化同化的误区与深层反思
这种全球化的逻辑，令许多人开始思考自我文化的价值，甚至引发了所谓“脱支”的呼声。然而，“脱支”本身却是一种误读。无论从一个文化体系“跳”到另一个文化体系，还是用新的语言和形式包装旧的逻辑，都未能逃离追逐效率和扩张的陷阱。

现代化的经济体系过度标准化，将世界变得单调乏味；教育体系高度军事化，使人类思想趋于单一。这不仅毁坏了多样性的生态环境，也让人类陷入了某种“胜利至上”的怪圈——从工业革命到今天的商业扩张，文化、思想、甚至生态系统都在为这种模式付出代价。

未来的可能性：超越“胜利”的文化新范式
在这种背景下，我们需要从深层逻辑上反思全球化的文化模式。所谓“光明与黑暗共存”的智慧，或许才是超越现有文化困局的关键。无论是东亚的传统文化，还是其他轴心文化，都应以开放的姿态互相借鉴，重新寻找平衡与多样性的可能性，而非简单模仿或更换旗帜。

正如金观涛的理论所提示的那样，文化的本质在于多样性与平衡。我们或许需要一种新的文化意识，不再执着于胜利，而是关注如何让不同文化共存，重新建立人与自然的和谐关系。这不仅关乎人类的未来，也决定了地球能否摆脱单调与崩溃的命运。







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The Four Axial Cultures: Cultural Collisions and Reflections from Inward to Outward Perspectives

Jin Guantao’s cultural perspective is profoundly thought-provoking. He suggests that by dividing cultural tendencies into two variables—“inward vs. outward” and “engaged in the world vs. transcending the world”—we can identify four distinct axial cultures. These four cultural archetypes paint a vivid picture of human civilization, each with clear representatives in global history.

Four Axial Cultures
First, let’s briefly revisit the categorization of these axial cultures:

Inward and Engaged in the World: Ancient Chinese Moral Culture
Rooted in ethics, this culture emphasizes self-cultivation and social responsibility.

Inward and Transcending the World: Ancient Indian Liberation Culture
Focused on the soul's transcendence, it emphasizes personal purification and spiritual liberation.

Outward and Engaged in the World: Ancient Greek Knowledge-Seeking Culture
This culture seeks the truth about the external world, giving rise to science and philosophy.

Outward and Transcending the World: Monotheistic Liberation Culture
The most peculiar of the four, this culture combines an outward focus on external forces with a transcendental aspiration for salvation.

The Unnatural Logic of Monotheistic Belief
Among these, the outward-transcendent culture is epitomized by monotheistic belief. Why does this culture adopt a monotheistic worldview, as opposed to the more intuitive polytheistic systems found in many ancient civilizations? In most cultures, the belief in the spiritual essence of external objects naturally evolves into polytheism, akin to Greek mythology, where a supreme deity like Zeus coexists with other gods.

Monotheism, however, defies this natural logic. The world is inherently dualistic—light and darkness, good and evil, constantly coexist. Monotheism's attempt to obliterate darkness and establish an absolutely benevolent deity faces an intrinsic contradiction: if God embodies absolute good, where does evil originate? This dilemma necessitates the introduction of a counterforce—Satan—and the concept of “eschatology” to resolve it. In this framework, ultimate good is promised to prevail in a final battle at the end of time.

From Religious Belief to Capitalist Transformation
The implications of monotheistic logic extend far beyond theology. After the Black Death, while the faith of the religious elite wavered due to corruption in the Church, the faith of the masses grew even more resolute. The Protestant Reformation, particularly Calvinism, emerged during this period, embedding the idea of “holy war” into commerce and industry. Success in the secular world—achieved through diligence and industriousness—became proof of being “chosen by God.”

This ideology catalyzed transformative developments: modern commerce in the Netherlands and the Industrial Revolution in Britain. A global race ensued, with nations adopting varying banners but operating under the same underlying logic—victory, expansion, and efficiency as the ultimate validations of legitimacy. This “victory-first” mentality became a pervasive driving force across cultures.

The Misguided Pursuit of Cultural Assimilation
This globalized logic has sparked debates about the value of self-cultural identity, even leading to notions like “脱支” (desinicization). However, such aspirations often stem from a misunderstanding. Transitioning from one cultural framework to another, or merely adopting a different external facade, fails to address the deeper issues.

Modern economic systems, with their excessive standardization, have rendered the world monotonous and uniform. Education systems, resembling militarized training camps, suppress intellectual diversity. This obsession with efficiency and expansion has inflicted significant harm, not only on cultural diversity but also on ecological sustainability. From industrial revolutions to commercial empires, humanity appears trapped in a “victory-at-all-costs” cycle, sacrificing both the environment and its intellectual depth.

A New Paradigm for the Future
Amid this context, a new cultural paradigm is urgently needed. Humanity must transcend the “victory logic” of endless competition and rediscover the wisdom of coexistence between light and darkness. This balance could be the key to escaping the current cultural impasse. Instead of mimicking other systems or adopting superficial changes, societies should embrace openness, mutual learning, and a commitment to diversity.

As Jin Guantao’s theory suggests, the essence of culture lies in its diversity and equilibrium. The future demands a cultural consciousness that values coexistence over conquest and harmony over hegemony. Only then can humanity restore balance with nature and ensure a sustainable, vibrant world for generations to come.






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将下文翻译成英文。金观涛说得不错，如果以向内还是向外，以及入世还是出世为两个变量，这世界应该会有四种轴心文化。不知道是不是巧合，这四种文化地球上都有。先抛开向内而入世的古中华道德文化，先内而出世的古印度解脱文化，以及向外而入世的古希腊求知文化不提，单论向外而出世的解脱文化，为什么是一神呢？外物有灵应该是比较自然会产生的观念，事实上各民族各自单独发展的也都是差不多的多神体系。顶多有个宙斯之类的主神而已。一神信仰很不自然，而且也不合逻辑。因为有阳就有阴，有光明就有黑暗。如果全无黑暗，也就无所谓光明。一神信仰无法排除所谓魔鬼的存在，为了解决永远光荣至大正确只能胜利的逻辑陷阱，一神信仰不得不宣扬最终之战，也就是所谓的末世。这个奇怪的一神信仰，如果只是每周一次聚在一起像一群神经病一样期待末日也就罢了。没想到黑死病动摇了上层的信仰，借文艺复兴之名腐败堕落，下层在黑丝病后反而坚定了信仰，对梵蒂冈不满，自我解释圣经，出现了卡尔文宗。在荷兰搞出了摩登商业，在英国搞出了工业革命，其内在的理念是把圣战引入了工商业，不仅用虔敬的敬业，更要用世俗的成功，一场又一场的胜利证明自己是被上帝选中的。各国不得不追赶，无论举的是什么旗帜，内在的逻辑是一样的。这真是及其糟糕的事。以至于我在网上遇到了要所谓脱支的人。哪怕换皮换语言不换芯是没用的。建议自我洗脑，从战神耶和华到永远胜利的基督，从以致富成大统证明自己是the chosen one 到革命胜利之外王证明永远光荣，从一个胜利走向另一个胜利，永远是winner。不要奇怪，这两边的阵营本来就是一路货，看似水火不容，不过就是些昊天、上帝、真主、真理的名词之争(背后一味光明没有黑暗的憨直逻辑是一样蠢的）。脱支？真是不知道自己在说什么。从一块砖到另一堵墙，从一个螺丝钉到另一套类古代军事帝国的摩登商业机器，一样过度追求效率，追求高速扩张，过度的标准化把世界搞得如此单调乏味，类军事长期备战的摩登教育把所有人不分东西都搞成了傻子，包括所谓的阿尔法male,生态圈都快被他们的垃圾搞崩溃，这很值得其骄傲？你们要换皮去效仿？不知所谓。
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Jin Guantao made an insightful point: if we consider two variables—“inward vs. outward” and “engaged in the world vs. transcending the world”—the world can be categorized into four axial cultures. It is intriguing, if not coincidental, that these four cultures exist across the globe. Setting aside the inward and engaged moral culture of ancient China, the inward and transcendent liberation culture of ancient India, and the outward and engaged knowledge-seeking culture of ancient Greece, let us focus on the outward and transcendent liberation culture. Why is it characterized by monotheism?

The belief that external objects have spiritual essence is a more natural concept to emerge. In fact, as various ethnic groups developed independently, they mostly established polytheistic systems, often featuring a chief deity like Zeus but still allowing room for other gods. Monotheism, on the other hand, feels unnatural and illogical. Where there is light, there must be darkness; where there is positive, there must be negative. If there is no darkness, the concept of light would lose its meaning. Monotheism cannot entirely eliminate the presence of what is called “evil.” To address the logical paradox of an always-glorious, all-powerful, eternally victorious God, monotheism had to introduce the concept of a final battle—what is often referred to as the apocalypse.

This peculiar belief in monotheism might be tolerable if it merely led to weekly gatherings where people, like a group of lunatics, awaited the end of the world. However, the Black Death disrupted the faith of the upper classes, leading to corruption and moral decay under the guise of the Renaissance. Meanwhile, the lower classes, after enduring the plague, became more resolute in their faith. Dissatisfaction with the Vatican inspired self-interpretation of the Bible, resulting in the rise of Calvinism. Calvinism birthed modern commerce in the Netherlands and the Industrial Revolution in Britain.

At its core, this ideology introduced “holy war” into commerce and industry. Not only did it demand devout diligence, but it also required secular success. Victory after victory served as proof of being one of God’s chosen people. Other nations had no choice but to follow suit, and regardless of the banners they raised, the underlying logic remained identical.

This is an incredibly troubling development. It has even led me to encounter individuals online who advocate for so-called “desinicization” (脱支). However, simply changing appearances or languages without altering the core mindset achieves nothing. It is essentially self-brainwashing, replacing the warrior Yahweh with the eternally victorious Christ, proving oneself to be “the chosen one” through wealth and domination, or glorifying oneself as a savior through revolutionary triumphs. From one victory to the next, the winner narrative remains unbroken.

Do not be surprised—both sides of the spectrum originate from the same root. Their apparent opposition is little more than a semantic debate over terms like Haotian, God, Allah, or Truth. Behind all this lies the same foolish logic of absolute light devoid of darkness.

Desinicization? It seems these people have no idea what they’re talking about. From one brick in a wall to another cog in a machine, from one screw in a structure to another component in a modern commercial apparatus resembling ancient military empires, the excessive pursuit of efficiency, rapid expansion, and over-standardization has rendered the world monotonous and dreary. Modern militarized education systems, designed for perpetual preparedness, have turned people—regardless of East or West—into fools, including the so-called “alpha males.” Meanwhile, ecosystems are nearing collapse under the weight of their waste.

Is this truly something to be proud of? And you want to imitate this by changing appearances? Absurd.







贴主:湖叶于2024_12_21 20:01:17编辑